Now just a reminder, these won't be perfect representations of your characters. They're battlemap icons (similar to miniatures but they aren't real). Now there's not a lot of classic female dwarf art but this one grabs me as being sort of appropriate for Hasta (there might be some hobbits and gnomes from the 90's who fit the part too).
It's shrunk down from a larger picture which I have included because I'd like to know if anyone else knows what it's taken from as I'd like to see the whole thing. That helmet looks similar to the Dragonlance style (it reminds me of the second Lord Verminards helmet even 'though his original helmet was much better).
I've got a few images in mind for Thorgrin and Kharsis. The others are still waiting for pictures but I'm currently open to suggestions. Feel free to discuss things guys :).
Nice picture - I might have a look to see if there's any less militant-looking female dwarves out there, but otherwise this is fine.
Well I'm aiming to maintain a consistant art style in the game's portraits. There's some hobbit bard from the Forgotten realms stuff who might do (the same goes for afew other pictures too). But yeah, have a look around and see what you can find. I did trim it down to try and make the helmet look like a hat and to crop out most of the armour.
Nice work on that picture Balgin. What do you have for Thorgrin so far?
http://www.warhammeronline.com/newsletter/images/2006/CA_oct_2006_newsl25.jpg (http://www.warhammeronline.com/newsletter/images/2006/CA_oct_2006_newsl25.jpg)
Not as pretty, but parhaps more accurate.
Or perhaps:
http://www.toddlockwood.com/galleries/magic/01/slow_motion.shtml (http://www.toddlockwood.com/galleries/magic/01/slow_motion.shtml)
or at a stretch:
http://www.toddlockwood.com/galleries/misc/01/raven.shtml (http://www.toddlockwood.com/galleries/misc/01/raven.shtml)
This:
There's lots of nice browns and quite alot of reds but greys and whites aren't so easy to find (I almost think 1's the best match and the others (2 and onwards) are better pictures).
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten this as a posssible for Hasta but if I went with it we'd be going in a completely different artistic direction (and I doubt there'll be lots of decent photo realistic troll pictures out there somewhere :p).
Those are nice images for Thorgrin but I am not sure if they are quite what I picture him looking like I will look around and send you a few and see if they fit in with the look you are after.
And this :).
Where did you get that last one Balgin? Thats a nice pic for a female dwarf
It's Reaper concept art. I've had the model for a few years but never got round to painting it yet. There's a few pages on their website where they write about their wargame and it's got two pictures but every time you load the page it randomises them from a list. Each of the pictures is a coloured artistic representation of one of their miniatures and she's one of those pictures.
And in case you hadn't geussed, she's a Klocke sculpt (http://www.reapermini.com/gallery/dwarvesu/14082_G) so somewhere between the concept art and the finished sculpt her face suddenly became a lot more angular :(. The thing in her left hand is an apron and she's got things hanging off the back of her belt but I can't remember what they are now without looking.
Personaly I'm waiting for this pack of 2 myself. (http://www.reapermini.com/gallery/dwarvesu/6188_G) The one on the left's recently become available separately but now I've seen this picture I like the second one too (but nowhere near as much). Maybe I'll get the left hand one on his own as well to have three of them :).
Hey,
Just checking you noticed the pics I posted above - I think the post might have been missed while you posted pics for Thorgrin.
I noticed. The first one's a good picture but it looks a bit sketchy and stylisticaly it's very different from most of the pictures I've already got earmarked for various monsters and npc's.
Of the other two, well I'm not really much of a Lockewood fan (even 'though one of my old friends is called John Lockewood). The dark haired woman by the portal almost seemd okay but the other one was so small she sort of blended into the background.
Now if only Thorgrin had had different colouration there's so many pictures that would've been suitable:
There's better scans of that 1st one on my hard drive. It's just the first one I found in a hurry and it's lost a lot of colour.
Oh, there's always this lovely priestess too. And some more colourful dwarven folk too.
Is it the one for magda mintsilver?
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 11, 2007, 09:13:56 PM
Is it the one for magda mintsilver?
Huh? Er, nope, 14082: Margara Firetongue (like wot my link sed :p).
Link (http://www.reapermini.com/gallery/dwarvesu/14082_G)
In fact I'm suitably motivated to want to start painting her tomorrow now. Klocke seems to be doing all the Reaper dwarfs at the moment.
This is how I see Thorgrin:
(http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97110.jpg)
Minus the wings on his boots!
Or this one:
(http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=/dnd/images/ph35_gallery/PHB35_PG37_WEB.jpg&origin=dnd_ag_20030705a)
I actually really like this second one since it is even accurate to most of the equipment I have picked for him too.
Then there is always the piece that was done to represent Moradin:
(http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/dd_gallery/dd1/Moradin_p84.jpg)
Well I had reserved this for an npc but you might be interested. It doesn't quite match the description on your character sheet 'though (but neither did the pictures you posted either :p).
And here's afew more that aren't reserved:
I'm currently looking for pictures that could represent Kharsis, but the task seems to be harder than I thought. I feel like I find only pictures of veteran wearing full plates...
The best picture I've found so far is one of Caramon Majere. It must be an early picture because his muscles aren't too bulky yet:
(http://library.thinkquest.org/28010/caramon.jpg)
(http://www.sden.org/IMG/jpg/caramon.jpg)
After looking around a bit, I still haven't found a portrait that's perfect for Shen.
I like this (http://www.kirith.com/portrait/detail/?portrait=981) and this (http://www.kirith.com/portrait/detail/?portrait=999). The first one will eventually be perfect for the character, but he hasn't grown into it yet. The second one is just too angry.
If all else fails, this (http://www.kirith.com/portrait/detail/?portrait=63) is too dark to see anything but the bow he's holding.
Hi
Portraits - excellent idea! :clap2:
Now where can I find a good pic of an Elven Tailor......?
Cheers
Paul H
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 11, 2007, 10:58:44 PM
(http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=/dnd/images/ph35_gallery/PHB35_PG37_WEB.jpg&origin=dnd_ag_20030705a)
Dwarf male wearing scale mail with an axe and shield. The only thing that doesn't match in this one is his hair isn't steel grey.
(http://www.customhobby.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1586.0;attach=692;image)
This one can work down the line when he gets some heavier armor.
Quote from: Chrysalis on December 12, 2007, 04:54:48 AM
I feel like I find only pictures of veteran wearing full plate.
Don't worry. You'll probably start to look like that at around 4th level anyway :p.
QuoteThis one can work down the line when he gets some heavier armor.
Well my thinking is that I don't really want to go changing portraits down the line so people get to start with idealised "high level" portraits now and work towards living up to the image they'd like to present :).
I can also modify that one to crop it even closer so his armour's even less visible if you like :).
This picture is nice, but since it's Sturm, there is a mustache :icon_ermm:
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5007/sturm8xbih3.jpg)
Only thing I can think of would be Captain carrots face on the PH book Cleric, but with a hood and dark brown hair :icon_neutral:
Squig
Squig check here http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/mgx you can find a ton of art from the recent books. Maybe there is something in there you might like. Where did you get that picture of Sturm?
Balgin I am fine with that last one suggested (below) for me. No need to crop it or anything. I think that is good for a dwarven knight. By the way where dd you find the pic?
(http://www.customhobby.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1586.0;attach=692;image)
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 12, 2007, 02:43:44 PM
Where did you get that picture of Sturm?
Ehm... :icon_scratch:
Google "picture" + sturm + dragonlance: second or third page I think.
I was asking because I thought it might have been a specific artists website, but thanks :icon_wink:
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 12, 2007, 02:43:44 PM
By the way where dd you find the pic?
It was a really obscure fantasy & sci fi artist's website where professional artist's showed off their work to each other. I don't think I saved a link to it but I'll have a quick look and see if I can find it again.
Well... I first ran across this picture in issue no 86 of Dungeon in the adventure "The Anvil of Time"; the artist is Jason A. Engle and it's actually meant to depcit Huma.
Huma, the human knight of Solamnia with his spear. Well the website (which I can't find) was for professional artist's only and they each had their own sub galleries. When you clicked on a picture it came up as apopup so you couldn't right click and save as. You had to press Print Screen (to capture about two thirds of the pic), copy it into MS Paint, and then copy in the remaining part of the picture and cunningly blend them together.
Quote from: Balgin Stondraeg on December 12, 2007, 01:35:52 PM
Well my thinking is that I don't really want to go changing portraits down the line so people get to start with idealised "high level" portraits now and work towards living up to the image they'd like to present :).
In that case, my first choice (http://www.kirith.com/portrait/detail/?portrait=981) will work quite nicely, assuming Balgin approves.
Shen, Thorgrin & Hasta now have portraits (we're working on the others now).
I just found this one, it looks good to me. What do you think?
(http://amelie.fanczalski.free.fr/telechargements/portraits/images/grand/portrait126.jpg)
I thought you wanted the other one. Actualy I had the young ginger knight from the picture of Lord Soth being told lies by the dark elves before earning his curse. It's the december picture from the 1989 Dragonlance calendar so I know it's one of the fab four's work.
Quote from: Balgin Stondraeg on December 13, 2007, 07:14:28 AM
I thought you wanted the other one.
The Huma one? I don't know...I don't really like the mustache. But he has the spear & armor, which is a good point...
If you're talking about the first pictures I posted, I think the last one is Caramon too, so it's just the same...
Quote from: Balgin Stondraeg on December 13, 2007, 07:14:28 AMActualy I had the young ginger knight from the picture of Lord Soth being told lies by the dark elves before earning his curse. It's the december picture from the 1989 Dragonlance calendar so I know it's one of the fab four's work.
Any picture? (Always was a Lord
Sobert Soth fan...)
It's proving hard to track down so I'm going to have to go and pick up the calendar to see if the name's included (at least the artist's signiature will be).
Okay, I got the year wrong (1992) but here's a few badly scanned in images from the internet (I might have to scan my copy in and it won't fit on the scanner :p). Those book covers cut out about two third of the picture (it's a square painting) and it doesn't seem to be up on his website but I might be able to take a lucky photo otherwise it's negotiating scanner access for me.
(http://www.encrucijada.net/El%20Cataclismo.jpg)
(http://www.tierrasdeacero.com/beta/bib/lib1041.jpg)
Here you go:
(http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~camelshere/lordsoth.jpg)
That's the one, with the gender ambiguous ginger fellow in the right hand corner (although even that scan seems to be missing some of it like the horse's legs and the lower half of the painting). There's a quick sample portrait attached anyway.
Yeah I know what you mean. I found it on google and figured it was good enough for the part you were going to take out of it.
The knight on the picture looks young enough to be Kharsis. If it's ok with you, let's go for this one! :icon_thumleft:
That's cool, so now there's just Godric and Garrick to do and I might dig something out sometime today or tonight for them.
Don't forget the other grey elf wizard. Nothing odd about this one so you can go with whatever would be standard.
I always thought it was a woman (no adam's apple, softer facial features, hint of lippy :D ), but I haven't read the story.. so I could be wrong!
Now that you mention it, it does does look like a woman. The only reason I know it isn't is that there are no female knights of the rose (since you can see the rose patterns on the armor).
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 15, 2007, 10:19:12 AM
Now that you mention it, it does does look like a woman. The only reason I know it isn't is that there are no female knights of the rose (since you can see the rose patterns on the armor).
It's always looked very feminine
but the Knights of Solamnia are a very old fashioned bunch and I doubt they'd let a woman join their ranks.
Quote from: Balgin Stondraeg on December 15, 2007, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 15, 2007, 10:19:12 AM
Now that you mention it, it does does look like a woman. The only reason I know it isn't is that there are no female knights of the rose (since you can see the rose patterns on the armor).
It's always looked very feminine but the Knights of Solamnia are a very old fashioned bunch and I doubt they'd let a woman join their ranks.
Unless they can grow a mustache, of course... :dragon:
I just wonder if it's one of those "I inherited my father's armour" type stories.
Quote from: Fabian on December 15, 2007, 03:21:35 PM
I just wonder if it's one of those "I inherited my father's armour" type stories.
It's not. It's the story of how Lord Soth was marching off to war at the head of a column of soldiers when he met a bunch of dark elves on the road who told him his wife was having an affair while he was away. He got angry and rode back home (abandoning his part in the war and betraying his country). He slew his wife without even asking for an explanation and then was cursed to become Lord Soth the death knight.
Although now that I know it's a book cover then the idea of him appearing twice in the same picture at differen times in his life doesn't seem as obvious as it did before.
It is woman - I knew it! It illustrates this story from the book: SPOILERS!
True Knight
Nikol, a female knight and Michael, a male half-barbarian search for the reason for the Cataclysm. She befriends Soth before he becomes a death knight, believing him to be on a quest of good. After the Cataclysm, she finds out he's a death knight and foolishly believes him when he says he has been unjustly cursed. They travel to Palanthus to find the Disks of Mishakal to free the knight. Mobs attempt to destroy the library, but Nikol and a shining Lord Soth turn them away. Nikol and Michael return to the Plainsmen tribes where they continue their faith in the old gods and wind up being the ancestors to Riverwind.
http://www.dragonlanceunderground.com/library/shortDL.asp?SeriesID=10
From what I remember, once in the Ravenloft, Lord Soth was given the chance to modify his past and "relive" his betrayal. Maybe it's what happens in the picture?
Quote from: Balgin Stondraeg on December 15, 2007, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: Fabian on December 15, 2007, 03:21:35 PM
I just wonder if it's one of those "I inherited my father's armour" type stories.
It's not. It's the story of how Lord Soth was marching off to war at the head of a column of soldiers when he met a bunch of dark elves on the road who told him his wife was having an affair while he was away. He got angry and rode back home (abandoning his part in the war and betraying his country). He slew his wife without even asking for an explanation and then was cursed to become Lord Soth the death knight.
Although now that I know it's a book cover then the idea of him appearing twice in the same picture at differen times in his life doesn't seem as obvious as it did before.
Yeah, I never liked the way they took him out of Ravenloft in 3rd ed and didn't bother explaining his half arsed exuse for a replacement. I suspect it was a copywrite issue rather than a creative decision (since Ravenloft was licensed out to White Wolf, the powergamer punk people).
What's Ravenloft and how did Soth get there in the first place, let alone get removed?
Quote from: Rod the Worm on December 16, 2007, 09:49:20 AM
What's Ravenloft and how did Soth get there in the first place, let alone get removed?
Okay.
1: The original Dragonlance novels were written by Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman (apparently Tracy is a man).
2: Lord Soth was a major villain in the original Dragonlance novels.
3: Ravenloft was a 1st edition adventure for Advanced D&D written by, you geussed it, Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman.
4: Ravenloft was so popular that it spawned a sequel (I think they wrote that too).
5: The two adventures were so popular that a campaign setting was based on them (created around them).
As a Campaign setting Ravenloft is a rubbish bin. It's where all the gods put the rubbish they don't want to have to deal with, and it stays there. I'm not talking about soem Planescape style scrud*heap challenge/robot wars type thing here. I'm talking about a full blown hammer horror fantasy setting (but with less gore, shock and splat stuff and more of an emphasis on atmosphere).
So, Ravenloft the setting:
1: The domain of Ravenloft (as featured in the first two adventures) is but one domain of many. Each domain has it's lord and master. This lord is some fallen individual who has committed acts so vile that they have been sucked into the world of Ravenloft.
2: The "world" of Ravenloft exists in it's own "sub plane" of existance, somewhere between the prime material plane and the elemental plane of shadow.
3: The gods do not interfere with this "shadow plane of despair". It has it's own gods. They do not interfere with other worlds just as the deities of other world do not interfere with their own little world (similar to Krynn in that respect).
4: Bad people get sent to Ravenloft. It's like Royston Vasye in that "you'll never leave".
5: The mists lie beyond the border of every region. It is very difficult to navigate the mists (only the gypsies know how to travel through the mists from one domain to another). Entering the mists without a guide could lead you to anywhere, even back where you began. The mists defy geography, a single footstep can take you halfway across the world and a day's travel could elad you back to your first step. Whilst the regions are geographicaly connected the mists lie at every border. In addition to this each darklord has the ability to close the borders of his domain so that none may leave (this closing of the borders differs from region to region, in one place all the scenery around the edges turns into painted stage flats which, when pulled aside reveal more and more painted backdrops).
Each darklord is tied directly to the land over which they reign (the old "when the king dies, the land dies" thing) but very few of them know it directly.
6: When new "darklords" enter Ravenloft a new domain is created for them by the powers that control the land. Each darklord rules supreme in his domain but is unable to leave it and suffers some terrible curse (for instance, one darklord wants to control everybody so his curse is that nobody obeys him and he has no power, his temper tantrums and sulking directly affect the domain but he cannot actively control anything).
7: Lord Soth entered Ravenloft as the darklord of Sithicus (a region inhabited almost exclusively by elves from Krynn).
So Ravenloft is a kind of horror setting where stuff is different (like detect evil spells don't work). There are less monsters than in most other gameworlds and they aren't strong monsters, they're sneaky (although some are a little bit stronger because they've managed to survive so long).
When the 3rd editional Ravenloft stuff came out it was barely supported (a mere handful of proiducts) but they removed Lord Soth and replaced him with another darklord who was barely written in, didn't make any sense and there was no mention of how he'd taken over the land (whereas in the other region that recieved a change of darklord they did explain it).
So I suspect they weren't allowed to include him because Wizards of the Cost wanted to keep him solely for Krynn (despite the fact that he'd managed ot exist perfectly well in both before). It's like how they don't want to let anyone else write a sourcebook for beholders or mindflayers.
I think Vecna and Kas' domains might still exist in the 3rd ed stuff 'though (although they might've just left them out).
QuoteIn addition to borrowing from the world of literary horror, Ravenloft incorporated characters and features from existing Dungeons & Dragons settings. Lord Soth, a villain from the Dragonlance setting, appeared as a darklord in Ravenloft, as did the Greyhawk lich-god Vecna and his traitorous former lieutenant, the vampire Kas. The Lost King Gondegal, from the Forgotten Realms setting, also appeared, though not as a darklord. These are examples of characters already well-established in their respective origin campaign settings. Some Ravenloft characters were given backstories saying they hailed from existing campaign settings, although in some cases the original settings have no record of them. The lich Azalin Rex was retroactively attached to Greyhawk, for example.
Link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenloft)
Ravenloft is probably my favorite setting, but every time I tried running something there, I had a very delicate time. The rules of this (those?) place(s) are so strange, it's hard to keep a storyarc...
As for the portrait, if it's really a girl on the pic, I'll go for the Caramon picture, it'll be ok...
Although I only got to play in it three or four times Ravenloft is one of my favourite settings (along with the Warhammer World and a few others). Yep, I found the link after typing all that out and I wasn't going to remove my "cosmic rubbish bin" explanation after all the trouble I'd gone to typing it out.
I'm happily running this game now but a Ravenloft game would be fun. Actualy the last time I played in RAvenloft I was the Gm and I blatantly pinched something from an old Lone Wolf book (a bunch of ghouls dressed up as monks in a graveyard standing around an open grave as if conducting a funeral service but actualy they're waiting for the witnesses to go away so they can begin to feast).
It worked really well (although one cowardly character hid under a bush and watched the pack of ghouls eat one of his friends alive in front of him - he developed a fear of fields, especialy fields with people who looked like peasants or monks in them).
Quote from: Balgin Stondraeg on December 16, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
I'm happily running this game now but a Ravenloft game would be fun.
I've been thinking about something recently...I'll consider it more seriously....
Well it's a fun setting if everyone's in the right mood. The thing I don't like about Ravenloft is that they made Fear, Horror and Madness saves all willpower saves. Fear should've been a fortitude save (since it was easier for warrior types). Since horror was disgust you could see all those spellcasters going "you call that disgusting? I've seen worse on the lab table". Madness was always a step up but in 3rd ed they made it a really linear fear, horror, madness progreession of failed willpower saves. They also cut the 13 stage path of corruption down to 5 or 6 steps. No real explanation for that either.
When White Wolf purchased the Ravenloft license they did so on the condition from Wizards that they didn't have the rights to use material from other campaign settings; hence Sithicus lost Soth (Dragonlance), as well as any mention of Dark Lords from Athas (Dark Sun).
Intellectual Property law is a sticky topic these days.
There was a bunch of stuff done for 3rd edition. Is was all d20 swords & sorcery books. I have 20 of those in PDF and then just about everything from second edition too. Every time I hear the name for Soth's old realm (Sithicus) I think it should be run by Darth Maul.
@ Balgin = Have you been looking for an image for another grey elf wizard?
Quote from: Fabian on December 16, 2007, 04:11:09 PM
When White Wolf purchased the Ravenloft license they did so on the condition from Wizards that they didn't have the rights to use material from other campaign settings; hence Sithicus lost Soth (Dragonlance), as well as any mention of Dark Lords from Athas (Dark Sun).
Intellectual Property law is a sticky topic these days.
Then how come they got to keep that Forgotten Realms darklord? The red wizard of Thay one?
QuoteIs was all d20 swords & sorcery books.
Yep, and if you check the copywrite & legal smallprint in those books you'll observe that their company was a subsiduary of White Wolf Publishing.
re: Thayan wizard - very interesting... at a guess because he's not as cool as Soth? :D
Seriously, I don't know. But I'm sure there is some explanation. Do they mention him being a Red Wizard of Thay?
Maybe because the FR was never licensed to another company. DragonLance and all of its material was licenses to Weis and Hickman until recently.
Are there that many things that changed in the 3rd ed. ?
The one I have is obviously the 3rd, although it's a limited ed. (with the leather-like cover with red metallic letters). There are the D20 - Art Haus - Sword & Sorcery logos inside.
As for running something in the Ravenloft, I feel like there are already a lot of games now, and I don't know if it would be really wise to run another one...
If there are enough players interested in joining then it is fine. I will allow as many games on the forum as there are players and DM's available to run them. I know Balgin already has a full load so someone else would have to step up.
Quote from: Custom_Hobby on December 17, 2007, 09:10:57 AM
If there are enough players interested in joining then it is fine. I will allow as many games on the forum as there are players and DM's available to run them. I know Balgin already has a full load so someone else would have to step up.
I think I could do it. I've been thinking of something recently, although it would be a little experimental concerning the storytelling.
Quote from: Chrysalis on December 17, 2007, 09:08:09 AM
Are there that many things that changed in the 3rd ed. ?
In Ravenloft? Yes, quite a bit.
2nd/3rd ed changes. There was no 1st ed setting (the setting came out about 2 years after the 2nd ed PHB did).
1: Lord Soth was the darklord of Sithicus until 3rd ed. In theory he could have been on Krynn at the same time (with his nightly tortures in his keep there actualy taking place in the domain of Sithicus itself).
2: That big gap/rift through the middle of the world. That wasn't there before. It was caused/created in a series of not very good adventures that came out just before 3rd edition did. It was a series of adventures that would "change the world and it would never be the same" (just like the Death trilogy, never liked the outcome of that one much).
3: Darkon/Necropolis. In the "Death" trilogy of adventures Azalin (the darklord of Darkon) tried to escape from Ravenloft/ascend from liche to demilich status (it's not too clear). Anyway, he failed and disappeared. A new darklord (called Death) took over his domain and transformed it from Darkon into the "undead only" region of Necropolis. In 3rd ed they put Darkon back the way it was and reinstated Azalin as it's master. I prefer it that way (the whole "Death" thing wasn't very good).
4: In 2nd ed Vecna (and his treacherous knave of a general, Kas) each had small pocket domains, constantly at war with each other. In 3rd ed they just suddenly went missing without a mention.
5: In 3rd ed they blatantly missed out the Nightmare Lands pocket domain. I rather liked that one with it;s five darklords.
6: In 2nd ed there was a 13 step path of corruption. In 3rd ed it got shortened to a 6 step path (no reason why). I prefered the longer and slower method over the 3rd ed "everyone gets a level every 2 sessions when they don't really need it" method of character progression.
7: I think some of the domains might have changed languages in 3rd ed. In 2nd ed it wasn't too clearly layed out (you had to go through the entire book writing down a list of which languages were spoken in which domains). In 3rd ed the linguistics side of things was very well layed out (so much better organised).
8: In 3rd ed they blatantly put "half orcs" into Ravenloft where previously they had not existed. The "half orcs" in 3rd ed were not half orcs (because there are no orcs in Ravenloft). Instead they were twisted creatures like Gollum or Calliban (in fact they called the race "Calliba's"). They didn't seem to fit in very well, as if they hadn't been very well thought out and had just been shoe horned in for popularity's sake.
9: They left a load of monsters out of the Ravenloft monster manual in 3rd ed and only introduced about 2 new ones. I would've rather had the 20-30 missing ones myself.
10: In 3rd ed the physical descriptions of the inhabitants of each region seem much more french/eastern european than the 2nd ed version (where they had more variety). In 3rd ed all regions started to look a bit samey :(. I prefered it when there was more ethnic diversity. There's still the gypsies and the american indians (who are the only ones who cans afely travel the Nightmare Lands with their dreamcatchers just liek gypsies are the only ones who can safely traverse the mists).
11: In 3rd ed they put in a lot of "recently discovered" safe routes through the mists connecting some domains. I think they opened it up a bit too much and would like to see those taken out.
12: They did the Forgotten Realms thing of giving people free bonus feats for being alive. In 2nd ed they didn't get bonus stuff for being born in any particular region but they did get suggested classes, skills and stuff.
I'm pretty sure there are many more changes but those are the main ones I can think of (hey the Dikesha (fortune telling dice) from the black box are the only ones I haven't put in my dice bag yet, they sit in the black box with the Tarokka fortune telling cards, the red box's got it's Tarokka deck too :)).
I'd like to play but I'm busy enough with the games I'm currently running (and the four other pbf's elsewhere :p). Whatever you do, don't set your adventure in Falkovnia unless your players are happy with being state property at the mercy of a brutal police force and a tyranical ruler who treats his subjects mercilessly, slays them on a whim, and often just has mass implaings in his courtyard. If you thought the citizens of Falkovnia had it bad then the nonhumans don't even get granted citizen status (being branded property rather than merely slaves).